An Orc named Gorbag thought Frodo was dead, “He’s nothing but carrion now.” (LotR, The Choices of Master Samwise)ĭid the ring just take away all that uncertainty and make Sam want to take it for himself? He also took Galadriel’s phial and Sting. Sam assumed he was dead and so he took the ring from him. Probably very speculative but fun to think about! It’s true the orcs also believed Frodo was dead. Did Shelob’s venom stop Frodo’s heart beating? Did he well and truly appear dead to Sam? Or did the ring just take away all that uncertainty and make Sam want to take it for himself? I’m not too sure how much influence the ring can have without actually holding it, but after Sam’s been with Frodo for all that time I wouldn’t be surprised if it did something to him.Įdit: thanks for all the interesting comments everyone - I wanna clarify, I think the book makes it clear that there is no doubt that Sam truly believed Frodo was dead at this moment - the interest for me is rather the possibility that the ring encouraged that belief within Sam.
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